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Dec 9th, 2015, 19:43 PM   #16
 
Not sure why Schell has raised this particular thread as its from 2012.

It caught my eye though as my brother and sil have taught their five year old daughter willies and vaginas and that babies come out of vaginas and she told everyone at nursery when she was four!!!! I no longer speak to them.but had reservations about her spending time with my son when he starts talking. Thankfully its no longer an issue.
 
 

 
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Dec 9th, 2015, 21:43 PM   #17
 
Wow, this is old. I wonder what came of it.

Im a bit on the fense. Anotomically we as women have vaginas, men have a penis. Its through time that these words have been sexualised and deemed not appropriate. However, I understand teaching kids the correct names, and sexual education early is only there to protect them? I myself havent instructed Jackson to call it a penis yet only because the topic hasnt arisen and if truth be told he doesnt need to know yet. When he does he will have a penis. May be odd at first but we actually should be thinking that nicknaming things for the correct anatomical name is odd. Can you imagine sitting in a consultation and your very educated consultant says, so we are just gonna have a look at your flower now? Or a brain surgeon referring to a brain as your gewy lump - Sounds odd right?

And imo, sex is happening younger and younger. Not because suddenly schools have rolled out sex ed. The reason sex ed is rolled out younger is because children are through other influences having sex now. And not that Id ever want or imagine my child having sex in primary, but if he did I would prefer he knew the risks. Too many babies are having babies. Its not the goverment or schools taking away innocense its the world and causing it is things like media, largely the internet.

Ive said my tuppence. Pun intended

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Dec 10th, 2015, 14:47 PM   #18
 
Haha if my gp asked me.how my tup tup was at my 6 week post partem check id be rolling on the floor in a fit of giggles. Thanks russelmuscle for that!

I agree, there's nothing wrong with teaching kids the right words. Buy we do have nicknames for other limbs too, like noggin, tootsies, booty, tummy etc. I also wouldn't expect a child to tell me they had bowel problems or an itchy anus either. Its all down to context.

Imo there's nothing wrong with protecting the innocence of childhood. I think its very important to be sensitive to fragile minds too. I used to ask my mum things about what kids said at school cos i thought they were so outrageous they couldn't be true but wanted to know for sure before I got laughed at and my mum would answer questions I asked about her honestly and I wish to god she'd spoken in third person or asked me why I wanted to know cos I cant tell you how scarred I am and how I had ocd and depression as a teen as a result of a number of damaging instances.

Sex education is very different to a lesson about sexual intercourse too. Totally different I just wish people could.understand that.
 
 

 
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Dec 10th, 2015, 15:13 PM   #19
 
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Haha if my gp asked me.how my tup tup was at my 6 week post partem check id be rolling on the floor in a fit of giggles. Thanks russelmuscle for that!

I agree, there's nothing wrong with teaching kids the right words. Buy we do have nicknames for other limbs too, like noggin, tootsies, booty, tummy etc. I also wouldn't expect a child to tell me they had bowel problems or an itchy anus either. Its all down to context.

Imo there's nothing wrong with protecting the innocence of childhood. I think its very important to be sensitive to fragile minds too. I used to ask my mum things about what kids said at school cos i thought they were so outrageous they couldn't be true but wanted to know for sure before I got laughed at and my mum would answer questions I asked about her honestly and I wish to god she'd spoken in third person or asked me why I wanted to know cos I cant tell you how scarred I am and how I had ocd and depression as a teen as a result of a number of damaging instances.

Sex education is very different to a lesson about sexual intercourse too. Totally different I just wish people could.understand that.
Yeah, we should protect innocence as much as possible. Yes we have nicknames for other things, but these things are also a bit more socially acceptable to speak freely about. I work with Drs, and maybe I am a bit desensitized because I constantly type clinic letters were the words are used correctly. It really is the world that has taken away whats appropriate, whats not, its so PC. They are actually trying to sway away from nick names for things similarly due to the reasoning for this post. To stop nick names being made up when children are being abused, names such as tickley spot etc are making things sound innocent when actually they are not.

I do think it's important for us to know what we have, and the reason we find those words inappropriate is purely because the world has over sexualized them to the point they aren't ok to use in social situations. The context of the convo is whether its appropriate for example mentioning things like itchy anus in public, that be a bit inappropriate if me you or a 70 year old says it - and we all know, kids are the most inappropriate because it takes them a while to learn their social boundaries.

I never referred to mine as a Vagina, I dont now because Im an adult and dont feel the need to share my business - but usually I will say my private area or my "good girl" now, I dont say that to the Dr, because I know thats not the word and its odd of me to rename it but I know when to use and not to use nicknames. Kids dont yet. Its confusing for them.

Sexual education is needed younger, people are all for objecting it until their child comes in either pregnant, got someone pregnant or a disease. No one wants to imagine their innocent babies having sex, but also our parents didn't imagine it and we are all here with our own babies

I got a taxi the other week with a man, objecting at the fact that schools are teaching sex ed and gay relationships etc in primary and how that is corrupting how innocent minds think because say 2 girl friends in school holding hands now this means your a "lesbian" I says no offense, but I think the reason we are educating them this younger is because this is the norm - and its to stop opinions like the one you gave me. He seemed to not believe a child doesnt know its sexual identity/orientation until much older. I informed him its actually as young as 2 or 3. Hense why, we need the education younger - because our older culture are of the impression different is wrong.

Slightly going of on a tangent now... Sorry!!

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Dec 10th, 2015, 16:47 PM   #20
 
I agree. If everyone had been taught sex ed together maybe I wouldn't have resort to asking my mum.inappropriate questions. Also, taking away the secrecy takes away the stigma and embarrassing giggles. I am all for teaching sex ed early. It also leaves less room for parents individual interpretation.
 
 

 
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Dec 10th, 2015, 17:00 PM   #21
 
I realise I sound like I'm contradicting myself so just wanted to clarify. I have no problem in teaching small children about anatomy, periods, puberty etc. But I do have a problem with people teaching children about sex or allowing them to be exposed to inappropriate films etc. With regard to my brother and sil, they taught their four year old daughter that babies are.made when a mans sperm fertilises a woman's egg. I think its far too much for small children to understand and leads onto other questions.
 
 

 
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Dec 10th, 2015, 21:13 PM   #22
 
Sex ed in primary school focuses more on puberty and right now there are girls of 9 or 10 starting puberty so it's not really something that can be left til they are older.

I'm also with RM on the need to 'teach' about same sex relationships etc to foster tolerance and acceptance.

I think as much as it is 'unusual' and a little shocking to hear a young child come out with penis or vagina (actually the area is your vulva, the vagina is just one part but anyway...) it makes more sense and I'd rather they were taught the correct names than crazy nicknames like Tuppence or Fairy etc.
 
 

 
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Dec 10th, 2015, 23:53 PM   #23
 
Up here in Scotland some schools are rolling out sexual education earlier and safety precautions in case of abuse. Theres somehing called like The Pants Scheme or something basically to raise awarenss that no one should be in those private areas regardless of relationships. Which is a good thing since some of "trusted figures" in schools, nurseries have been found out as abusers. Which is another reason for correct names. No confusion or manipulation and just because thats what the body part is regardless of wheher its appropriate or not. Lets just rename our toes to twinkles

I do strongly agree with same sex, trans relationships being in schools because parents are embracing trans youger and with more education it can only make people perhaps understanding and accepting. It seems some older figures cant seem to fathom trans genders all people seem to be concerned about are primary genitals.

Attached the nspcc link for PANTS scheme, we teach in our primary schools.

https://www.nspcc.org.uk/preventing-...nderwear-rule/

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